Yep, we lost.
Now I’ll just sit back and enjoy the disenfranchisement as Obama struggles to explain to constituents that campaign promises are different from actual promises. Either that, or he will be engaging in sincere ideological warfare with a large swath of the American populace. He’s not that stupid; he wants a chance at actually winning another term.
As for all of you numerous people who actually bought into the HOPECHANGE, I will certainly forgive you. Being trusting and gullible is probably better for you than being cynical and analytical. Unfortunately, it’s not better for the rest of us.
Next time, Republicans, please pick an actual conservative. I don’t want to have to keep holding my nose voting for moderates.
Jindal/Sanford/Palin… any of those would do. Of course I would prefer Paul. Or Norris.
A few Ayn Rand quotes to inspire.
- Government “help” to business is just as disastrous as government persecution… the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.
- Individual rights are the means of subordinating society to moral law.
- It only stands to reason that where there’s sacrifice, there’s someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there’s service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.
- The man who lets a leader prescribe his course is a wreck being towed to the scrap heap.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:42 am
“Our votes aren’t going to matter because Obama will get elected anyway.”
“McCain is more liked than Bush on both sides, and Obama is the most liberal nominee ever. Both those stats stack up positively for McCain.”
“John McCain isn’t exactly my ideal candidate, but he has my vote long before Barack Obama.”
“See, the reason that Obama will get elected has a lot to do with just how bad the americans view George Bush.”
“But you still miss my point. It is much easier to be liked more than Bush, And even though Bush was hated soooo badly, he still won, Which means, if the other side likes McCain, that is a HUGE bonus in terms of chances winning. If you can win without them, them you can win much easier with them. Understand simpleton?”
“Obama isn’t an idiot and he has latched onto the word “Change” because he realized that it is a magical incantation.”
“Contrary to your opinion, it is not yet inevitable that Obama be elected, In fact, I’d suggest it may even be improbable; like Jeremy said, I refuse to believe that this many people are that stupid.”
“The media is making it seem like he is in a much larger lead than he really is. I sure hope im right on that…”
“Oh and No Im not going to vote. Think about this when the election ends. How much did my vote really count?”
“DavidT, I know that Obama will win. This isn’t some guess or some shot in the dark. I know 100% that Obama will win the election. Like if he loses then you can squaredance in my face but I just know how this thing is going to work out. ”
“How do I argue with you on this. You simply make statements as fact, when you are 100% incorrect. How do I debate with someone like that? I need vaild points. I seems that every post I make is just a huge correction of your facts. You dont come back and debate you previous statements.”
Don’t see Crumb allowing this. This is brutal.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Brutal? No… congratulations you were right and we were wrong, unfortunately for the country.
November 8th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Why did you add “Understand simpleton?” to my quote? If you are going to quote someone.. quote them correctly. Otherwise you look like you do look like a simpleton.
And it’s amazing how you take sooooo many statements out of context as if that was the main debate. No one said they were 100% sure McCain would win. Did we say that there was no chance Obama would win? Nope. We simply stated our observations and the case for our side. Why would we give up on our candidate? If you look, the popular vote did not have Obama win by a huge margin at all. It was very close. He just won states, even by a little that made the electorial vote so different. It was not a landslide.
No one was debating you about the election results. We were debating on issues and ideals. On which you simply got devastated.
I dont see the point of your post. And how do you still think that our votes didnt matter? If it was an Obama landslide, future chances would be a bit more grim. You completely do not understand the concept of the right to vote or why it is important. You vote not to win, but to let your voice be heard. That is a freedom that should be cherished. Haha, seriously you are such a “simpleton”. ^_^
November 9th, 2008 at 3:49 am
Im already sick and tired of the direction this is going. It wasn’t about “Oh we elected a liberal president for the good of america”, it is more about how a colored person got elected president. 94 % of blacks voted Obama, gee, wonder why? The blacks act like they have finally defeated the white man. I feel this is more about black liberation than about doing the right thing for america which I never debated, I just knew Obama would win. Now the funny part comes with assimilation of white people and this was really what the republican fear was. Gun sales are going up rapidly and I find this funny. Children are going to grow up seeing Obama on t.v. as the president and if you thought blacks used rap music to control the whites, think about what will happen as they grow up knowing that a black man runs their “world”. Obama getting elected was really strange to me. If you republicans thought that “America” would last forever then you were wrong. You can’t take an idea that this country was founded on and expect anything different than what you are getting right now. If you truly have money, then I suggest moving somewhere else because its going to get bad.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
I agree that black people are overly excited by this President. I have had a couple conversations with some friends of mine at Capsugel about this, and they really feel like black people are finally legitimate Americans. This is a little bit skewed, but its true many black Americans feel this way now. I think black people have perpetuated the myth that they are lesser Americans for some time now, and for the most part are treated the same as whites or whoever else.
As for the rest of what you said, it made no sense to me.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
the wording on my last comment was pretty bad now that I go back and read it. to sum up:
-blacks are legitimate Americans, and have been for longer than they want to admit.
November 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
That is true. It does feel like a haha gotcha white man. Citizens should be looking out for the betterment of America, not the betterment of their race.
If they think that the racism against blacks stops here, I have to question them on how a black person got elected in the first place. It doesnt change anything, because to actually be elected, it had to already have been done away with for the most part. I agree exactly with you JR.
I am glad that a black has gotten elected. But why him and why now? If any racism was shown, it was not just from they whites. Obviously people could not put race aside and vote on the issues.
Now, lets hope, that racists like Jessie Jackson and “Reverend” Wright, can shut the heck up because a black man has actually been elected. If it actually is progress, then they should give America credit.
Oh, and gun sales are up because the threat on our 2nd amendment rights has gone up considerably with such a liberal pres-elect. Nothing to do with race. This s still the best country in the world. I wouldnt dream of moving out.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Palin?! No.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
What’s wrong with Palin? Contrary to what the Bill Kristols, Fred Barnes and Peggy Noonans might say, she was the only reason McCain got nearly as many votes as he did. She represents the traditional conservative base: a conservative ideologue with libertarian credentials. She and people like her are the future of the republican party. If you go back and read articles/watch videos from before her selection as VP pick, you will find someone with extremely strong conservative convictions and a very solid platform. She makes a lot of Weekly Standard/Wall Street Journal GOP pundits very nervous because she isn’t a neocon and represents a significant departure from the Bush/Dole/McCain strain of the GOP.
Heck, she had a lot of positive things to say about Ron Paul. That right there explains the overwhelming attempt at smearing her reputation by the lying media (liberal AND moderate GOP); they don’t want her to hold power. I see her husband’s affiliation with the AIP as just another confirming point for her conservative credentials.
November 10th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
I think Palin was the only reason McCain did as well as he did. She single handedly re-energized the conservative base.
But I really dont know if she could beat the Obama 2012 ticket.
November 10th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I think you’re right, Ryan. Some of Palin’s interviews were downright terrible, and I felt embarrassed for her. However, she certainly wasn’t the drag on the ticket that the neocon intelligentsia would have you believe. I felt like her conservatism was restrained by having to appear in conjunction with McCain’s moderation. Palin brought genuine enthusiasm to the ticket, which it was severely lacking.
She does need to work on a few things. It seemed there were a lot of gaps in her political knowledge that caused a lot of people to question her qualifications as McCain’s VP pick. I know I was sick and tired of hearing the word “maverick” coming out of her mouth over and over. Her ideology also seemed very unrefined. I’d argue her political career was as extensive as Barack Obama’s, but Obama did a much better job of cramming political facts/stats/history before running and appeared more competent and experienced than he really was. He’s also incredibly slick and avoids an honest answer better than any politician I’ve ever seen.
I’m confident the Republican party would be more successful going in the opposite direction that people like Bill Kristol and Fred Barnes are suggesting. I heard Kristol saying the other day that one of the reasons republicans lost badly this election was because of the resistance to the failed immigration policy that McCain and Bush tried to force on us. Sad. I don’t understand why becoming moderate Democrats is a better idea than returning to and sticking to our principles. I think genuine conservatism sells itself if articulated well. Everyone can appreciate liberty.
November 10th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
I highly doubt that Palin would swing a single vote that went to Obama, even without McCain. That’s just not a strategically sound choice right now. Since you say “I would prefer Paul,” I’m assuming you’re trying to make suggestions that would actally win.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Yeah, I think currently, there is no way she would swing those votes.
If I was a strategist on either side, I would put much less energy into swing votes, and more into new voters.
Currently 48.3% of eligible voters actually vote. Who are these people and how do I get them to vote for me? should be the real question.
I think now, as conservatives should see, they should focus on getting the party back. Focus on resetting the priorities of the party (smaller gov, less spending, lower taxes, etc.), and really regaining the ideals long lost.
In a few years think of the next candidate, dor for goodness sakes, get our crap together first! Our party is a bunch of big spending moderates. Get these morons out so we can actually have a real platform to stand on. Oh, and fight as hard as we can against the far left liberal ideals. Do not ignore them like Bush, but fight back with a big stick.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Yes, these next four years are “a refiner’s fire,” in my opinion.
But you contradict yourself in your comment, “If I was a strategist . . . should be the real question.” First you say get voters, then you say win the current 48.3% voting population.
The government would encourage a lot of voters by appointing proportional points per state with the electoral college, instead of the long-standing winner take all system it has had for so long. I don’t really see Obama changing that, but I know a large amount of people that do not vote because of the electoral process.
November 11th, 2008 at 8:29 am
I think David was saying that they should focus on getting conservative people who didn’t vote to vote, and the reason they didn’t vote is because McCain is not a true conservative and they’d rather not bother.
Troy - I like your idea. Actually, Obama has no control over this whatsoever — it’s up to the states. One state already does this: Maine. This is one area in which the states still have their rights. It used to be that the electorate didn’t even vote for president, but state legislatures did.
If we wanted to, we could press a law in SC to make it a proportional electoral college count. The problem would be that it would only help democrats unless the other states did it too. I can see this happening for some “swing” states, but California will never be willing to divide up its 53 electoral votes.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Yes, I meant getting the other 51.7% that didnt vote. Oops!
November 12th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Ryan would you ever get involved in politics and run for anything? I think that would be cool. It seems like it might be a dream of yours. You are a good speaker and have a plan.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:24 am
Unfortunately, politicians are the realm of the elite. It’s sad that the only way to really have much of a chance is to have zillions of $$. But then again, there is mayor of GWD!!!
You should Blake. Id vote for you!
November 12th, 2008 at 8:20 am
i love it… you guys don’t see all of blakes comments. i deleted one yesterday that was stupid, so now he posts one that is telling me to run for president. he’s testing his hypothesis about whether or not i am as narcissistic as he keeps implying.
November 12th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Ha! I wish I could see them. He is quite the entertainment!
Blake, we know you are just trying to provoke with rediculous comments, and just to let you know, we are also playing along. No one is actually getting in a tiffy over your antics. But it is enjoyable. Press on!
November 13th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Blake? wut. I wasn’t joking. You deleting what I said about Palin being attractive has nothing to do with me wanting to know if you plan to have a future in politics. I am genuinely interested to know if you have any future plans to make a move politically. If you do have any intention to do so it doesn’t mean that you are narcissistic either. When did I ever insinuate that you were? I remember two of your speeches at GCS and they were fantastic. You were a hell of a public speaker and that was just in high school. LoL, David provoking is too easy and I don’t want to get you tiffed off, so don’t taze me bro. Im all about enjoyment too.
November 13th, 2008 at 12:32 am
HAHA! Dont taze me bro! Beautiful.
November 13th, 2008 at 8:26 am
haha well if you’re being serious about me being a good speaker i appreciate it, but i usually feel pretty insecure when talking to large groups of people. politics is an interest of mine, but i’d probably rather be behind the scenes instead of being a candidate.
November 14th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
I think why Palin worked well for this Republican ticket is how well she fit with McCain. She filled some SERIOUS holes in the ticket, like straight-line conservatism (which McCain really lacks), enthusiasm (which McCain for some reason lacked, although we know him to be a really passionate guy behind closed doors), and a young element to go against the young element of Obama.
We have to say this first: McCain is done. There is no way he’s running for anything again. Can Palin truly lead the Republican party on her own? Doubtful, for right now. She will have to have a very publicly successful political life in the next 2-3 years if she expects to make her own run at the White House in 2012, otherwise she may not get even a chance at the VP again. I don’t see her fitting on a ticket well with some of the other early front runners in the GOP, most of whom are young-ish themselves, and who will need some viable experience on the ticket. Palin is a great conservative, but it may be awhile before she is compatible enough of a choice to get on the GOP ticket again.
November 14th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Also, that she wasnt one of the good ole’ boys and not someone that has been fully tainted by the political machine. That was refreshing. But I agree, she needs to do something fantastic in order to have a chance at the next vp or p ticket. Unfortunately for her, she has the stain of this last election, and that is not easy to clean off.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Did Blake make a friend in real life or something? This page is getting boring.
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:39 am
LoLcanoes! Wut. Real life is sooooo overrated. What would make this page more exciting for you?
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:40 am
Well the election is over, and there isnt much to say on this topic until after pres-elect takes office.
My favorite part is his name selections! Truly entertainment! “Lolcanoes”!!! Hahahaha good!!!
November 27th, 2008 at 11:27 am
alright Ryan, its been 20 days to process things. time for an update!?